Why do people still say 120million PS2 u ...

I have seen it a lot on this forum people saying that the PS2 has 120 million users. I dont understand this. I thought the PS2 had 120 million units sold not users. A lot of people had PS2 break so they bought new ones. More people would have grown out of gaming or stopped using the PS2. Some more people would have bought a new version of the PS2 when it became so cheap just get get the silver version or the slim version. When you take all that into account then it no where near 120 million users.Dont get me wrong the PS2 did have and to some degee still does have a massive user base. What do you think.Why do people still say 120million PS2 u ...
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Because that reasoning is used for all consoles. Otherwise the numbers would be lower for all systems.
[QUOTE=''Ibacai'']Because that reasoning is used for all consoles. Otherwise the numbers would be lower for all systems.[/QUOTE]Yes but to a lesser extent with new systems.Much better to look at current console sales and game sales as an indicator as to who and what is dominating the market.
I doubt that many people rebought PS2's. Additionally, if repairs are counted as sales, where does the 360 stand?
[QUOTE=''Thompsonwhore'']I doubt that many people rebougth PS2's. Additionally, if repairs are counted as sales, where does the 360 stand?[/QUOTE] 20 consoles sold. =P
[QUOTE=''Thompsonwhore'']I doubt that many people rebought PS2's. Additionally, if repairs are counted as sales, where does the 360 stand?[/QUOTE]That is so very true!!!!
Counting units sold is the best way to do it. We don't know how many of those 120 million are unique buyers, but we also do not know how many of those 120 million were bought by one person, then sold at a later time to another user (thus, not being counted in the total). It is a flawed number, but we don't have much choice. It still blows away its competition from last generation, so what does it matter?
[QUOTE=''Thompsonwhore'']I doubt that many people rebought PS2's. Additionally, if repairs are counted as sales, where does the 360 stand?[/QUOTE]I'm sure quite a few people haev rebought PS2s by now, not like many of things are still in warranty but as part of 120 million I agree it wouldn't be significant.Its the number of people no longer using there PS2s and even more importantly buying games for it which is the factor.
You could use the same logic when counting any console's sales, though I have to admit, I know 5 people at the top of my head that are on at least their 4th PS2...



It's hard to say. Take the RRoD, for instance.
[QUOTE=''cakeorrdeath''][QUOTE=''Ibacai'']Because that reasoning is used for all consoles. Otherwise the numbers would be lower for all systems.[/QUOTE]Yes but to a lesser extent with new systems.Much better to look at current console sales and game sales as an indicator as to who and what is dominating the market.[/QUOTE]

True, and also the number of sku's and faulty hardware will also push numbers in different directions.



The point that I was making is that all we can go on is shipped numbers. Otherwise we're making uneducated guesses.
Does anyone honestly believe Sony had 60 million units RESOLD to every customer to make 120? Give me a break.
[QUOTE=''Ibacai''][QUOTE=''cakeorrdeath''][QUOTE=''Ibacai'']Because that reasoning is used for all consoles. Otherwise the numbers would be lower for all systems.[/QUOTE]Yes but to a lesser extent with new systems.Much better to look at current console sales and game sales as an indicator as to who and what is dominating the market.[/QUOTE] True, and also the number of sku's and faulty hardware will also push numbers in different directions. The point that I was making is that all we can go on is shipped numbers. Otherwise we're making uneducated guesses.[/QUOTE]Why can't they be educated guesses?Current Game sales and current hardware sales are pretty good indicators. I have never seen the point in making everything as simple as possbile just for point scoring. The game industry is a complex business and we should recognise that.
[QUOTE=''Bread_or_Decide'']Does anyone honestly believe Sony had 60 million units RESOLD to every customer to make 120? Give me a break. [/QUOTE] No. Clearly they sold 6 per user, so the PS2 actually came in last place. It just had the best/most games.
[QUOTE=''cakeorrdeath''][QUOTE=''Thompsonwhore'']I doubt that many people rebought PS2's. Additionally, if repairs are counted as sales, where does the 360 stand?[/QUOTE]I'm sure quite a few people haev rebought PS2s by now, not like many of things are still in warranty but as part of 120 million I agree it wouldn't be significant.Its the number of people no longer using there PS2s and even more importantly buying games for it which is the factor.[/QUOTE]I think it pointless to bring it up at all at this point. I wouldn't say more than 5 million of that number were people who bought more than one PS2. Besides, it's not as if anyone here bothers to bring up how many people are actually using their current gen systems, so I think the end number is more important than anything else.Although, if we're to bring up the PS2, we may as well bring up the original Xbox.
If that was a rule then I could only imagine the flamefests going on between the Xbox 360 and it's once at 33.3% defective rate. :?
[QUOTE=''Thompsonwhore'']I think it pointless to bring it up at all at this point. I wouldn't say more than 5 million of that number were people who bought more than one PS2. Besides, it's not as if anyone here bothers to bring up how many people are actually using their current gen systems, so I think the end number is more important than anything else.Although, if we're to bring up the PS2, we may as well bring up the original Xbox.[/QUOTE]So then the PS1 is still second and the NES third?If not then its current performance that is important.
What about the PS2s that are used by more than one user? Like, for example, 2+ brothers and/or sisters?In my house two users used the same PS2, me and my brother.
[QUOTE=''cakeorrdeath''][QUOTE=''Ibacai''][QUOTE=''cakeorrdeath''][QUOTE=''Ibacai'']Because that reasoning is used for all consoles. Otherwise the numbers would be lower for all systems.[/QUOTE]Yes but to a lesser extent with new systems.Much better to look at current console sales and game sales as an indicator as to who and what is dominating the market.[/QUOTE] True, and also the number of sku's and faulty hardware will also push numbers in different directions. The point that I was making is that all we can go on is shipped numbers. Otherwise we're making uneducated guesses.[/QUOTE]Why can't they be educated guesses?Current Game sales and current hardware sales are pretty good indicators. I have never seen the point in making everything as simple as possbile just for point scoring. The game industry is a complex business and we should recognise that. [/QUOTE]

I meant uneducated guess when trying to determine ''true'' hardware sales based upon factors such as sku's, faulty hardware, and people just buying new systems. I didn't fully explain myself. It's no longer a number crunch but a guesstimate. Hardware trackers such as NPD can be used as educated guesses (Darn good guesses too) but not as fact.



But that said nothing is perfect and as you said the market is very complex. Just look at analysts and how often they are wrong. *shrug*
[QUOTE=''Ibacai'']I meant uneducated guess when trying to determine ''true'' hardware sales based upon factors such as sku's, faulty hardware, and people just buying new systems. It's no longer a number crunch but a guesstimate. But that said nothing is perfect and as you said the market is very complex. Just look at analysts and how often they are wrong. *shrug*[/QUOTE]Well obviously you cant do that but you can look at a system current marke share. I.e. Revenue spent on games and hardware in the last and current year. That still isnt perfect but I believe it paints a more accurate picture.