[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Do casual/hardcore games exist?
There are five levels of hardcoreness:1. Non gamer - Likes Wii/DS. Plays things like Wii Fit, Brain Training.2. Casual - Plays what we call ''hardcore'' games, like GTA and Halo, but not a lot.3. Wannabee hardcore - Plays stuff like Halo and COD and thinks they are hardcore4. Hardcore - People who play a lot of games and will play all games if they are good5. Nerd - Someone who plays games that no has ever heard of and avoids games that are popular as to not ruin their hardcore reputation.
Well........ you could say that if you play Wii sports all the time, you're pretty hardcore (about time spent playing)Or you could say if you enjoy whooping azz in some FPS you're hardcore too.So... what defines ''hardcore,'' time spent playing or content being played?
I think a person, or group of people can be hardcore (as in dedicated to the hobby). So the gamer or the developer can be hardcore. I think games are open to all, but may be geared for certain groups/niches/demographics. I have a hard time saying that a ''game is dedicated'', it's not really it's just a piece of software that runs (or doesn't) for whom ever, when ever. The piece of software is ''dumb'', it does as it's told nothing more.I'm more likely going to call the developer a hardcore developer, their the ones that were dedicated to making the game for whatever group/niche/demographic they wanted.Albeit I won't rule out calling games ''hardcore'', really this debate ends up being more about semantics than anything else.
Nope - only hardcore/casual gamers. A game is... just a game.
[QUOTE=''FamiBox''] Well........ you could say that if you play Wii sports all the time, you're pretty hardcore (about time spent playing)Or you could say if you enjoy whooping azz in some FPS you're hardcore too. So... what defines ''hardcore,'' time spent playing or content being played? [/QUOTE]The simple definition is ''being dedicated''. However the perception of dedication is relative, thus subjective. So anything past saying people are generically dedicated is a subjective layer of made up definitions.I like to use dedicated and leave that open to many forms of dedication to the hobby.
Some games are more inherently hardcore, like Ninja Gaiden for instance. But, being a hardcore gamer is actually about your attitude, do you want to be the best or complete the game to the best of your ability? Or do you just want to have fun without delving too much into the game? This is the difference between a ''casual'' and a ''hardcore'' gamer.Ninja Gaiden is more ''hardcore'' because it is of extreme difficulty, and actually requires you to become very familiar with the combat system/enemies/environment to actually finish it. NG is only one example.
[QUOTE=''FamiBox'']Well........ you could say that if you play Wii sports all the time, you're pretty hardcore (about time spent playing)Or you could say if you enjoy whooping azz in some FPS you're hardcore too.So... what defines ''hardcore,'' time spent playing or content being played?[/QUOTE]lol, that's what I'm asking you guys! I personally don't think it's about what you're playing. I think it's about the gamers themselves and how dedicated they are to the hobby, and if they play a lot/a little.
Based on logic here...Popular games are casual games where non-popular games are hardcore games. Makes no sense.
[QUOTE=''DuDisNow'']Based on logic here...Popular games are casual games where non-popular games are hardcore games. Makes no sense.[/QUOTE]CS is extremly popular, yet it's damn hardcore too.
People use the term hardcore gamer to make themselves feel special and cool, that's all.
[QUOTE=''Chutebox'']People use the term hardcore gamer to make themselves feel special and cool, that's all.[/QUOTE]This is a misconception that's based on the assumption that the term ''hardcore gamer'' is only used on oneself. I would call many of my friends and coworkers on my team ''hardcore gamers''.So tell me where is the ''chest thumping'' there?
Playing a game Hardcore does not make its a hardcore game.
- I mean come on check out Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Pandora Tomorrow's Multiplayer compared to Double Agent.
- Not to mention the tons of games that get dumbed down to reach a wider audience. Just look at some PC franchises.
- But there are games that are casual that do have Hardcore skill caps. Madden and Smash Melee for example.
Games can be casual, games can be hardcore, and yes some games can be both.
Well, I personally think that it is rather easy to create a label to slap on groups of individuals which can and often does snowball into a modern day stereotype. What I find funny within the gaming community (as well as in many others) is that the terms 'casual' and 'hardcore' are more or less exclusively defined by the so called ''hardcore'' gamer for the most part. It is almost as if the individuals who insist on calling themselves 'hardcore' derive a sense of entitlement based on the fact that they log more hours gaming and play a broader list of more complex and non-mainstream games than the individuals that they label 'casuals'. Therefore, by creating/using such terms as 'hardcore' and 'casual', they effectively place a badge of honor and separation on themselves by making such distinctions.As for myself, I believe that if you enjoy playing games, you are a gamer period, regardless of how often you game, or what you prefer to play. I do, however, think that there is obviously a 'core' gaming base that is more passionate about gaming in general, and indeed there is a distinction between what appeals to this market vs. the market that is commonly referred to as the 'casual' or 'non-gamer' market. But even still, and all lables aside....if you enjoy gaming to any degree, regardless of what types of games that you play, and regardless of how long you spend gaming, you are a gamer plain and simple. And games are games, they just differ in what type and who they appeal to, as opinions of course will always vary. And just because a particular game is considered easy or appeals to more of a mainstream market outside of the 'core' gaming base, it does not make it any less a game, regardless of what certain 'hardcore' groups decide to label it based on their own ''1337'' standards, lol.
Ive played games since I was 4 adn spend a good amount of money each year on games. I know about all teh hyped games and stuff to look out for. I own all 3 systems and I consider myself a core gamer NOT hardcore because I have a life outside of games
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I think games in general can appeal to anyone. GTA is a great example as it appeals to hardcores, yet it can appeal to casuals to.
Another great example are sports titles. They sell a bunch to casuals, but many hardcore gamers enjoy the genre too.
I think games can be casual/hardcore, not just the gamer.
[QUOTE=''Miles0T0Prower'']Ive played games since I was 4 adn spend a good amount of money each year on games. I know about all teh hyped games and stuff to look out for. I own all 3 systems and I consider myself a core gamer NOT hardcore because I have a life outside of games[/QUOTE]Going by your own words I would call you hardcore, you're dedicated to the hobby (not based on your 3 systems comment). I don't see why having a life outside of gaming, makes you just ''core''.I mean most gamers have a life outside of gaming, this is just reality. Jobs, families, and just life in general require that of us. Yet there are many gamers out there that are dedicated to gaming, thus hardcore.
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